Orion ([info]p3rlm0nk) wrote,
@ 2005-08-23 18:50:00
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Current music:Black Sabbath -- War Pigs

"The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy, nothing more."
Recently Pat Robertson, one of the televangelist crew that's been uttering inanity since some time in the late pre-Cambrian, crawled out from under his rock and said something about how Jesus Christ Himself has recommended that the current president of Venezuala , Hugo Chavez (a socialist), be assasinated lest the country become a threat to American security as a haven for Communists and Muslim terrorists.

Leaving aside all the *astoundingly* dumb things involved in that idea, let alone talking about it in public, couldn't he have at least picked a rational fear? Heck, the Muslim extremists hate Communists even more than they hate us, because the West is at least nominally composed of states that could be called "religious" (in that they tolerate or support religion of some form, even if it isn't Islam) vs. the overtly atheist Communist governments. If you need proof, see the past ~25 years in Afghanistan or the past ~15 in Chechnya. You'd probably find Nancy Reagan hopped up on nine kinds of designer drugs, naked and with a pacifer in her mouth at an all-night rave, before you'd find Muslim extremists working with Marxists in any capacity.

Given that Robertson is getting on in years, I have to wonder whether his statements are caused by actual senile dementia or if this is just the latest permutation in a pre-existing insanity.

(Whether or not Chavez is a good president, I'm not qualified to evaluate, and is besides the point. Calling for the assasination of political figures, foreign or domestic, is a dark road that leads to places of ill aspect. Even if your goal is to remove a person from political effectiveness, the worst way is via assasination, as you very likely turn the person into something you can never entirely suppress: a martyr. The anti-Communists should have learned that lesson from Che if nothing else.)




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[info]nationelectric
2005-08-24 12:47 am UTC (link)
My understanding was that it's more pragmatic (read: dickless) than that: those in power don't want to legitimize assassination as a tactic, because sooner or later someone might come gunning for them.

What's so amazing about that video is that it's not just some off-the-cuff comment on his part. Robertson calls for the assassination, and then goes rambling on about it for like a full minute. You get the impression he's been quietly thinking about this in some disjointed way for a while now. It's like visiting day at the old folks home.

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[info]txgreenman
2005-08-24 01:26 am UTC (link)
The really scary part of all of this, for you "children" too young to remember, is that Robertson was a serious candidate for president in the 80's. He had a very solid run for the Republican nomination. Maybe I've become cynical in my dottage, but these statements are no more astounding nor outrageous then statements he made while seeking that nomination. He has always been a scary fucker and , even worse, has a tremendous following in this country. I think he is jealous that he cannot issue a death sentence like the Ayatollah and expect some mindless drone to carry it out.

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[info]hale
2005-08-24 01:43 am UTC (link)
Connecting Muslim extremism with South American communism is so ridiculous, a dog could spot the flaws with it. Pat Robertson is either very insincere or he's an idiot.

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[info]faithfulmoder
2005-08-24 01:45 am UTC (link)
Jesus Christ himself has recommended you also be taken out for doubting the mighty Robertson. ;)

That just boggles the mind. Armchair foreign policy brought to you by religious fanatics.

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[info]griffjon
2005-08-24 02:55 am UTC (link)
To make it even worse, he's factually inaccurate. The US had a very strong supportive role in the 2002 coup, financially, politically and militarily. There's a good Newsweek article on it if you care to dig back to April/May 2002. We knew about the coup coming up, and supported the military overthrow of a democratically-elected president.

I think whenever we say that we're "supporting democracy" it's usually the opposite...

Chavez... is an odd cookie, to be sure. I lived in Ven. for 6 mos (during the coup, no less), and continue to have mixed feelings about him. He's a bit too extreme and reactive on things, but I think he, over all, sees what's happened to countries that worked too closely with America, and is trying to save Venezuela from that fate by trying to circle the Carib and South American wagons so as to provide a political and social balance to the US the way the G22 is trying to balance the G8 in WTO negotiations. His launching of TelSur as a South American alternative to CNN-Espanol is a great idea, for example, and his buddy-relationships with Cuba are (a) to piss off the US and (b) to help out Cuba, since we're so hellbent on hanging them up to dry.

Anyhow. He's prolly just spouting off nonsense to draw some fire off the Bush/Sheehan/Iraq situation. Never underestimate the neocon power over media.

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[info]griffjon
2005-08-24 02:58 am UTC (link)
I already went ballistic on this at my other blog, btw. :) More links and info about the coup, basically.

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[info]griffjon
2005-08-24 03:21 am UTC (link)
Super-secret footnote, from the BBC:

"Venezuela is the fifth-largest oil exporter and a major supplier of oil to the United States."

also, Venezuela has larger oil reserves than Saudi Arabia. A point to think on...

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oil reserves
(Anonymous)
2005-08-24 05:37 am UTC (link)
According to a chart shown in the June 2004 issue of National geographic, Venezuela has 77,800 million barrels of proven reserves.

The MidEast region has over 713,000 million barels of proven reserves with tSaudi Arabia having 261,000+ million barrels of proven reserves.

Reminds me of the old joke:

Moses is talking to God and says, "OK, God, let me get this straight, they get all the oil and we have to cut off the end of our WHAT?!?"

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oil reserves
(Anonymous)
2005-08-24 05:38 am UTC (link)
According to a chart shown in the June 2004 issue of National Geographic, Venezuela has 77,800 million barrels of proven reserves.

The MidEast region has over 713,000 million barels of proven reserves with tSaudi Arabia having 261,000+ million barrels of proven reserves.

Reminds me of the old joke:

Moses is talking to God and says, "OK, God, let me get this straight, they get all the oil and we have to cut off the end of our WHAT?!?"

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[info]la_chispa
2005-08-24 03:43 am UTC (link)
Recently spent a breakfast playing the Who's Next? game. Venezuela was way up there.

Re: music. At Kamikaze Karoke,* this one poor sucker got War Pigs and showed us exactly what you do during an infinite guitar solo. It was -- energetic.

* -- People choose songs. The DJ puts them in a hat. You get called up. The DJ pulls a song from the hat.

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[info]kd5mdk
2005-08-24 04:30 am UTC (link)
To be fair, a substantial number of the Taliban were former Afghan Communists. As my Afghani professor put it: "One year they would be shaved and called Comerade, and in a few years I would meet them again and they would have a beard and be called Mullah."

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[info]p3rlm0nk
2005-08-24 04:39 am UTC (link)
Well, there will be opportunists in any group, but I was refering to the true believers on both sides. And there'll be some people that really do change their minds and affiliations, even if that is a small number.

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[info]griffjon
2005-08-24 01:48 pm UTC (link)
Hm, so it seems. I'll have to find out where I read my figures and see what changed/what I mistook

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[info]tilos
2005-08-24 10:21 pm UTC (link)
I don't think we'll ever get over our oil dependency (and thus, habit of meddling in oil-rich countries), unless we tax the hell out of gasoline and force the development of alternative energy. We pay $3 in Chicago and it seriously isn't enough. They need to hike it to $6, and put the proceeds towards developing public transit and alternative fuel. Subsidies could be given to the working poor. I'd like a giant gas-guzzling vehicle tax too.

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Ben Sargent's take on it
(Anonymous)
2005-08-25 12:53 am UTC (link)
See his cartoon in today's Austin American-Statesman...

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